Forum open to general discussions. Please be considerate of others opinions. This forum is strictly moderated. You do not have to register to participate. http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/list.php?2 Sun, 05 Sep 2010 11:00:29 -0500 Phorum 5.2.13 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,126,126#msg-126 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,126,126#msg-126 witt General Discussions Sun, 22 Aug 2010 05:10:23 -0500 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,124,124#msg-124 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,124,124#msg-124 Carmen General Discussions Fri, 30 Jul 2010 13:30:04 -0500 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,115,115#msg-115 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,115,115#msg-115
My brothers, I would like to know what the Scriptures say about the death and what happen with your soul after that.
Is it true that the saints and angels will teach the people who we not illuminated completely by the Light of Gospel?


Thank you.
Dan]]> Dan General Discussions Mon, 07 Jun 2010 19:29:23 -0500 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,104,104#msg-104 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,104,104#msg-104 M R General Discussions Tue, 18 May 2010 21:28:34 -0500 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,101,101#msg-101 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,101,101#msg-101
I attend my church, was licensed as a Minister, but I am never used. Our Pastor was praying for all of the Ministers in our congregation, when she got to my husband and I, she told me to step behind my husband, she proceeded to tell him about his gifting and stepped to the next Minister, she never even prayed with me or for me. She moved by the space as if I didn't even exist, she prayed for all of the other Ministers and continued with the service. When I spoke to her, she said she thought she had prayed for me, but I should understand praying for my husband was praying for me.

We had one of our members who was very sick and the Pastor requested that we pray for him, when myself and another Minister stepped up to pray, she paraphrased her statement to us by saying, "If you are not serious about prayer, don't pray."

We had a time when each Minister was to teach one session of Bible Class, I expressed to my husband I would be the last on to for this, he laughed at me and said no you won't, I was the last one in December before our break for the holiday season.

We, the Ministers of the church were asked to submit a brief of what we would like to do, I submitted a request for Intercessory Prayer, both Pastors acted as if they didn't receive the information, even though I sent it to them via email. The picked two people from our former church, when they left, the picked a young lady who didn't even attend church much, after that, I spoke with my Pastor direct, told her my passion was prayer, she acknowledged it, said we would discuss it further. The very next day, she announced another Minister over prayer. Her statement to me was, she did not want to let anyone know the other Minister was going to be over prayer until she announced it to the church.

My husband and I were Lead Servants over the Marriage Ministry, after much discussion between him and I we asked for a meeting with both of our Pastors, she asked if we could do a phone conference instead. When we spoke to her, I asked her if she had ever seen the movie the Abyss, when she told me she had, but she didn't remember it, I told her why we had asked. I told her, I believe God had showed me the marriages in our church on an cliff, and that if we were not careful they would fall into the Abyss. She said to me, "Marge, you can't take things you hear around or hear people talking about and express them openly. I explained to her, that I/we didn't talk to people about their marriages or for that matter anything else because we have also instructed our members that sensitive issues should be discussed with Pastors. Since that discussion almost 3 years ago, we have had at least 5 divorces in our church, and we only had about 8 marriages in total.

I have spent at least 5 years being judged for "overshadowing" my husband, but things I would say, outwardly were things we had spoken about and he himself would choose to have me speak it. It got so bad until they would not even acknowledge me, but look over my head (man I am short) right into his face and discuss the matter with him.

Now it seems like I am the outcast. All I want is to be accepted and appreciated for the person I am, not the Minister, just the person. It seems that loving God is not enough. I feel like such an outcast, and I don't know what else to do. Am I wrong for not wanting to go back there? Let me also say in their defense, I am in no ways perfect, I have missed Bible Classes because of school, I have missed service because of my job and a few times I have missed just because I wanted to spend a little time with my husband and my family.

Now I feel like I am worthless and forgotten about because I don't want to go back. I feel like I have let God himself down, I feel like I must not have anything to offer God because if my Pastors don't see anything in me and if the Word says I will give you Pastors after my own heart, then what happened to me.

Thanks for reading this,]]> WhenItHurts General Discussions Mon, 17 May 2010 13:41:20 -0500 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,84,84#msg-84 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,84,84#msg-84 coffused General Discussions Sat, 13 Mar 2010 05:24:35 -0600 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,60,60#msg-60 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,60,60#msg-60 im occasionally good with my parents, but as of right now im currently not
due to my partying alot, which my way to escape
this drug meth has taken over me, which i occasionally do
and i find myself craving it allllllllll the time
i just turned 18 and have so much stress put on me and even have the credit companies on my ass but its not like i have money either
and i dont know what to do anymore, i find myself being very depressed and passive about it
dont know who to turn to, because i am ashamed of myself
and always finding myself turning to negative surroundings to escape my dilemas yet they always seem to flow me wherever i go
i miss my brother so much, whom has died, 2 years ago.and ever since then it hasnt been the same for me
and im so ashamed of the fact that i didnt graduate and will probably still be in highschool for 2 more years, and im currently failing
almost every course due to my lack of motivation and interest.
its hard to turn to someone, my friends tell me to stop dueing drugs but i never take it in
they dont know how i really feel deep down inside, and i always put on a front for them.
so its not like i can turn to them.
im scared that i might do something really stupid
but i really dont know what to do]]> ashamed General Discussions Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:31:54 -0600 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,59,59#msg-59 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,59,59#msg-59 anoymous General Discussions Fri, 04 Jun 2010 12:44:59 -0500 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,55,55#msg-55 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,55,55#msg-55 Frank Owusu General Discussions Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:28:55 -0600 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,40,40#msg-40 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,40,40#msg-40 Erin General Discussions Sat, 28 Nov 2009 13:00:17 -0600 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,37,37#msg-37 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,37,37#msg-37
My story is a little different.
My name is meric and i'm from turkey.As you know turkey is an islamic country full of preassure and there are a lot of violence in the family,underastimated women and i am one of the unlucky ones.But ever since i was a little girl i had a hard time to believe that their god sent a book to thought the men how to beat their wives.So i lost my faith when i was 15.I had drinking problems,i was smoking and really heavy psycological problems.My beloved father always blamed me for not being a son,for not being good enough but i just wish he wouldn't let everyone to see this.And on the top of his hate i saw dream.I was in a pub,drinking(as always),people doing drugs,litteraly having sex in public,everywhere was dark i could barely see.Suddenly a man came in with brightness and gave me his hand he exactly said "hold my hand and let's get out of here,come with me."
I held his hand and i woke up.Of course i was clever enough to guess who that man could be so i started to do some research about Lord Jesus Christ.I realized that he wanted to save me.After i read The Bible,i regained my faith and invited The Lord back in my life.I was happier than ever.I tried to talk to my family about my faith but i didn't want to face the consequences.Everything i did,everything i said felt right i was feeling i was doing the right thing this time.
But since 2 months i lost my joy and i feel like he's not here for me anymore.Ok i have to be honest,my grandma died 2 months ago and i blamed him for it.But everything was going so perfect i quit drinking,smoking and for those who doesn't know;it's really hard to quit.I was going great and i felt like he was sabotaging me i felt like he didn't want me to succeed.I sometimes look up above and i say "God why did you left me?Please give me a sign,make me understand that you have not abandonned me."
I turned 17 today.In our family birthdays are not really important.In my case it's an anniversary of a mistake so...
And with a childish excitement i asked for a sign as a birthday present.I wanted him to tell me he is and he will always be there for me and i wanted to make a peace with him.It's 10:10 pm in turkish clock right now and today was a complete disaster.I at least expected my birthday to be less horrible thatn the other days if you know what i mean.I want him next to me when i upset-like now- but he's not here.And obviously i get the message.He doesn't love me anymore.But i need him and i can't live without him.I feel terribly lost and life doesn't mean anything anymore.I can't possibly describe how i feel.Please Somebody help me.]]> Mericm General Discussions Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:08:32 -0600 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,26,26#msg-26 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,26,26#msg-26 Depressed General Discussions Thu, 03 Jun 2010 21:26:58 -0500 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,25,25#msg-25 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,25,25#msg-25
A little child died of pneumonia, and a party of angels came to conduct his soul to the world of spirits. I wish that his mother could have seen that wonderful sight, then, instead of weeping, she would have sung with joy, for the angels take care of the little ones with a care and a love that no mother ever could show. I heard one of the angels say to another, "See how this child's mother weeps over this short and temporary separation! In a very few years she will be happy again with her child." Then the angels took the child's soul to that beautiful and light-filled part of heaven, which is set apart for children, where they care for them, and teach them in all heavenly wisdom, until gradually the little ones become like the angels.

After some time this child's mother also died, and her child, who had now become like the angels, came with other angels to welcome the soul of his mother. When he said to her, "Mother, do you not know me? I am your son Theodore," the mother's heart was flooded with joy, and when they embraced one another their tears of joy fell like flowers. It was a touching sight! Then as they walked along together he kept on pointing out, and explaining to her the things around them, and during the time appointed for her stay in the intermediate state, he remained with her, and, when the period necessary for instruction in that world was completed he took her with him to the higher sphere where he himself dwelt.

There, on all sides, were wonderful and joyous surroundings, and unnumbered souls of men were there, who in the world had borne all kinds of suffering for the sake of Christ, and in the end had been raised to this Glorious place of honor. All around were matchless and exceedingly beautiful mountains, springs & landscapes, & in the gardens was abundance of all kinds of sweet fruits & beautiful flowers. Everything the heart could desire was there. Then he said to his mother, "In the World, which is the dim reflection of this real world, our dear ones are grieving over us, but, tell me, is this death, or the real life for which every heart yearns?" The mother said, "Son. This is the true life. If I had known in the world the whole truth about heaven, I would never have grieved over your death. What a pity it is those in the world are so blind! In spite of the fact that Christ has explained quite clearly about this state of glory, and that the Gospels again and again tell of this eternal kingdom of the Father, yet, not only ignorant people, but many enlightened believers as well, still remain altogether unaware of its glory. May God grant that all may enter into the abiding joy of this place!"]]> Pastor Dave General Discussions Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:23:35 -0500 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,23,23#msg-23 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,23,23#msg-23
And, is heaven our next stop after death? Or, if your don't believe in heaven, what, if anything is next after death?

Please use your words and imagination and while one belief and another may be totally opposite, this is one subject no one truly has a clear answer, so please do not condemn anyone for their belief or idea.]]> Frank General Discussions Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:08:58 -0500 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,21,21#msg-21 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,21,21#msg-21
WOW, is this not the biggest bunch of politically correct garbage you have ever heard? I had no idea I was an “organic unit” did you? Sounds like something I would hear an alien say on the show Enterprise when describing a human life form. Then the above statement goes on to say “there are no forces, phenomena, or entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature, or which transcend nature, or are “super” natural, nor can there be” - then let me ask you if there is no other entity that transcends nature then how did these so called organic units come into being? Oh that's right, the same people who dreamed up this religion are the same ones that are saying that out of a pile of goo there was a big bang and everything had its beginning and organic units started walking the earth.

It is my personal opinion that atheism is nothing more than a gross example of pride and people who refuse to submit to a higher authority. They do not want to accept the fact that one day they will have to answer to a Supreme Being who will decide their eternal fate. Oh I forgot they are saying “that death irreversibly and totally terminates individual organic units”.

Well one thing has been forgotten, these so called “organic units” will terminate one day but their spirit will not and it is their spirit that will come face to face with their Creator.

Now let me explain what happens to the spirits of these “organic units” once they terminate because they refuse to acknowledge a force which exist outside of or apart from physical nature.

On a floor of burning iron, head and body are hacked with weapons, ripped apart with saws, and crushed with red-hot hammers, trapped in a doorless iron cell, screaming out loud, impaled on red-hot spikes or boiled in molten bronze, and burned in a fire of the intensest heat—in the worst of the hot hells. On the crests of snow mountains, on precipices of ice, terrifying places engulfed by squalls and blizzards of snow, my tender body, lashed by freezing winds, breaks out in blisters, which burst open into festering sores, in a ceaseless wail of agonized screams and suffering, hard to even think about, like a dying person whose strength is all gone, I let out deep gasps and groans, my teeth clenched. My skin cracks open, and the raw flesh exposed splits deeper, and yet again— in the worst of the cold hells. My feet are cut to ribbons in the plain of razor blades in the forest of sword blades my body is gashed and chopped. I sink into the swamp of putrefying corpses, and the pit of hot embers, all in the neighboring hells that ring the hell of ultimate torment.

I tell you what, those of you who want to think you are nothing more than a “organic unit” and that once you die that's it – go ahead and you think that if you are that dumb. But when I look around I see things that no man could have created and it sure as hell did not just happen as a result of a “Big Bang”. So you go ahead and live your life of denial when it comes to believing the existence of God but I have no desire to experience what happens when my “organic unit” ceases to exist if I belonged to the atheist religion.]]> Joe General Discussions Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:05:55 -0500 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,18,18#msg-18 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,18,18#msg-18 How do they find him in their lives?]]> Sarah General Discussions Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:02:12 -0500 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,15,15#msg-15 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,15,15#msg-15
With that noted, two topics that come to mind where people "judge others", abortion and homosexuality. Yes, there have been many, many references made as to both being against God's will, but isn't lying and stealing against God's will? Isn't abortion or homosexuality "personal choices", not affecting others like lying or stealing and are we not ALL responsible for our OWN actions, but not the actions of others?

Maybe this will get the ball rolling and others will share their thoughts, ideas and opinions from all sides of the issues.]]> Trina General Discussions Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:56:41 -0500 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,14,14#msg-14 http://brethrenofmessiah.com/forum/read.php?2,14,14#msg-14
The actual Greek verb form here is: "the ones who are being saved." The rewording of the King James Version (from "are" to "should be"winking smiley is confirmed to reflect the doctrines of "election" and "predetermination". This is evidence of biased translation and is in favor of Calvinism.

The original Aramaic says: "They were praising God while finding favor before all the people, and our Lord added everyday to those who were alive among the congregation."

The Greek says: "Praising God and having favor with all the people, and the Lord added those being saved from day to day to the church."

The Bible tells us that one must endure in the faith. The doctrine of "once saved always saved" is false and can not be found anywhere in the Peshitta or ancient Greek manuscripts. The mistranslation in the King James Version is not found in the original Scriptures given to the Church by the Apostles.

Even by using the King James Version it can be proven that the notion of "once saved always saved" is false.

Hebrews 12:15 ..... "See to it that no man falls away from the grace of God." In II Thessalonians 2:3 Paul says that the second coming of Christ will not occur until after "the falling away" takes place.

Galatians 5:4 ..... Paul, in writing to the "churches (the called out ones) of Galatia" (Galatians 1:2), says, "You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace." You cannot be severed from what you were not first joined to, and you cannot fall from a position you had never attained.

I Timothy 4:1 ...... "But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons." "Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall" (I Corinthians 10:12).

Hebrews 6:4-6 ..... "For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance."

Hebrews 3:12-14 ..... "Take care, brethren, lest any of you have an evil and unfaithful heart and fall away from the living God. Encourage one another daily while it is still ‘today,’ so that no one grows hardened by the deceit of sin. We have become partners of (or "partakers of"winking smiley Christ only if we maintain to the end that confidence with which we began."

Luke 8:13 ..... (Parable of the Sower) --- "And those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word in joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away."

Luke 12:46 ..... In this parable we find a servant of the master who has been placed in charge of all the master's possessions. For a time he had been considered "faithful and sensible," however he begins to say in his heart "My master will be a long time coming" and begins to act unfaithfully. "The master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him, and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers."

Colossians 1:22-23 ..... "He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach -- if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard."

I Chronicles 28:9 ..... "As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind; for the Lord searches all hearts, and understands every intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will let you find Him; but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever."

I Corinthians 9:27 ..... "What I do is discipline (buffet, bruise) my own body and master it, for fear that after having preached to others I myself should be rejected (cast away)."

Matthew 5:13 ..... "You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has become tasteless, how will it be made salty again? It is good for nothing anymore, except to be thrown out and trampled under foot by men."

Hebrews 2:1 ..... "For this reason we must pay much closer attention to what we have heard, lest we drift away from it." "My righteous one shall live by faith; but if he shrinks back, My soul has no pleasure in him" (Hebrews 10:38). "For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain terrifying expectation of judgment, and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries" (Hebrews 10:26-27).

Does this mean that someone can lose their salvation?

Revelation 2:10 says, “Do not be terrified at any of the things you are to suffer. Look, the Accuser will throw some of you into custody, that you may be tried; and there will be trouble for you for ten days. Be faithful until death, then I will give you the crown of life.” Here we are told that we must “be faithful until death”.

Colossians 1:22-23 says, “to you, he has now given peace by the body of his flesh, and by his death; that he might establish you in his presence, holy, without blemish, and without offence; provided that you continue in your faith, your foundation being firm, and that you not be removed from the hope of the gospel of which you have heard, that it is proclaimed in all the creation beneath heaven…” Here we are told that we “continue in” the faith so that we may “not be removed from the hope of the gospel.”

I Chronicles 28:9 says, “As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind; for Yahweh searches all hearts, and understands every intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will let you find Him; but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever.” This is a clear indication that if we forsake God He will reject us forever. This indicates that God is just and righteous. He has plans for every individual and each person must be in line with His plans and remain faithful.

2 Peter 1:10 ..... “Therefore, my brethren, be exceedingly diligent to make your calling and election sure by your good actions; for, by doing so you will never fall away.” This verse tells us that we must be “exceedingly diligent” and by our “good actions” we “will never fall away.” Obviously then if we are not “exceedingly diligent” and if we have bad actions (unfaithfulness, intentional works of evil) then we will fall away.

1 Corinthians 9:27 says, “What I do is discipline (buffet, bruise) my own body and master it, for fear that after having preached to others I myself should be rejected (cast away).” Paul was aware that if he was not faithful in the things that he preached to others that he could be rejected.

In Matthew 5:13 our Lord says, “You are the salt of the earth, but if that salt should become tasteless, with what would it be seasoned? Then it is not fit for anything, but to be thrown outside and trodden by man.” If we become weak and intentionally go against Yahweh’s plans and His Word, if we reject Him, we will be thrown outside.

Hebrews 2:1 says, “Therefore we ought to be exceedingly cautious, in regard to what we have heard, lest we fall away.” “For we know him who has said, ‘Retribution is mine; and I will repay’; and again, ‘The Lord Yahweh will judge his people’. It is very terrible, to fall into the hands of the living God…. Now the just will live by My faith, but if he draws back, My soul will not have pleasure in him.” (Hebrews 10:30, 31, 38). For if a man sins voluntarily after he has received a knowledge of the truth, there is no longer a sacrifice which may be offered for sins; but the fearful judgment threatens and the zeal of fire that consumes the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26-27). If we sin intentionally then we reject the sacrifice Yeshua made for us on the Cross and it is of no benefit to us as the passage says, “there is no longer a sacrifice.”

2 Peter 2:20-22 says, “For it would have been better for them, not to have known the way of righteousness, than after having known [it], to turn back from the holy commandment that was delivered to them. But the true proverb has happened to them: ‘the dog returns to his vomit and the sow that was washed, to her wallowing in the mire.” It will be bad situation for those who come to a knowledge of God and His righteous ways and then later reject Him.

So again, can a person lose their salvation? - The Bible clearly tells us that the answer is Yes. We need to make sure what kind of commitment we are making when we ask to be a part of the Lord's family. If we back out, He will still love us, but He will love us right to our death and descension into the fires of hell if we don't accept him and remain faithful. He says so in His Word.

The doctrine of "once saved always saved" has sent countless people to hell because it gives them a license to do whatever they wish to do after they have been "saved". There's no way around it.]]> James General Discussions Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:52:58 -0500